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post May 31 2010, 06:49 PM
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I don't know, but I just find these new rules hilarious. It's obvious this company is ran by a bunch of pussies:

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Are there restrictions on artworks showing children or teenagers (fictional or otherwise)?
Works depicting fictional characters can be broken into several broad categories; artworks depicting the likeness of real children, fan art that which concerns characters presented as underage minors or children in their original context, and works depicting entirely original characters.


# Works depicting the likenesses of real children, whether painting, sketch, or otherwise, will be held to the same standards established for photographs of underage models.

# Fan art concerning characters that are considered underage minors or children in their original context are subjected to several restrictions which mirror the restrictions in place for photographic submissions and in addition may be held to the following restrictions listed here;

# Characters who are underage in their original context may not be depicted with "enhanced" breasts, buttocks, or genital areas.

# Attempts to portray a fictional underage or child character as an "adult" in order to avoid these restrictions will not be allowed under any circumstances.

# Characters which have been portrayed as a range of ages in their original media will be classified as underage or not based upon the youngest portrayal as well as their average age over the series.

# Fan art concerning characters that are considered to be adults in their original context have no restrictions in regards to nudity or other provocative themes other than those already in place governing sexual or pornographic subject matter. Please see other areas of the FAQ for details.


Any fan art submission found to depict any of this prohibited content will be removed immediately and without notice.

For artworks depicting completely original characters which appear to be minors or children placed into sexual situations or context the staff will make a individual judgment on each work based on the appearance and anatomy of the character (with allowances made for style), the perceived intention of the work, and all other available information.


Note, things banned now are like doing art of characters under 18 in their underwear. I don't think that would be considered illegally obscene anywhere in the United States, so this is pretty hilarious to me. Pornography isn't even allowed at the site now, so I don't see what the purpose of this is.

The coup de gras for me now is that if the character appears adult in the show but was a child earlier, you still can't do sexy fanart of the older version. XDDDD What kind of idiotic logic did these morons use to come up with this one? If I applied the same rules to the real world, all pornography would be banned because the models were indeed under 18 at some point. People aren't born 18, dumb asses.

Just reiterates the fact this site is ran by assholes who seem to be complete cowards as well. They may as well just shut the thing down at this point, if they're that worried about it.





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post May 31 2010, 08:35 PM
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Pornography isn't allowed in DA in the first place so this is just stupid. I'm pretty sure DA is based in the US, and there's also no federal law in the United States against cartoon art that has survived in the court system. There has been convictions at a state level for "obscene materials passing through state lines" but like the only conviction was for some dude from Iowa who bought XXX loli manga from Japan and got caught when his mail was randomly opened by a postal employee. Just leave it to the morons at DA to make the jump from XXX loli manga to gratuitous butt shots of fully clothed 17 year old cartoon characters who are now 21 being the same thing. Really, this site can go fuck itself. At least change your name to something other than deviantart, because that suggests its still sexy friendly and free speech friendly when it really isn't anymore.





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post May 31 2010, 09:52 PM
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Attempts to portray a fictional underage or child character as an "adult" in order to avoid these restrictions will not be allowed under any circumstances.


So I can't even do "This is what I think Haruka will look like at 25" even if she's wearing a dress? If I do it I have to act like something wacky happened and she never hit puberty?

What the christ?

Oh, and for the love of god somebody do something with Yachiru from "Bleach". I don't think she's even considered a child in the show. They let her drink booze in the ED!






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It is not the first time that I heard bad comments in relation to the rules taken by Deviantart. It seems the staff has some sort of phobia about mature illustrations. Perhaps they were less strict in the past... I don't really know. The fact is that Deviantart has a serious difficulty to recognize what is a mature, yet artistic, material. This is pathetic since the site claims itself to be a place in which a "devian" is able to show his/her artworks with freedom.





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post Jun 1 2010, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE (Trillium @ May 31 2010, 10:52 PM) *
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So I can't even do "This is what I think Haruka will look like at 25" even if she's wearing a dress? If I do it I have to act like something wacky happened and she never hit puberty?

What the christ?

Oh, and for the love of god somebody do something with Yachiru from "Bleach". I don't think she's even considered a child in the show. They let her drink booze in the ED!


Really, I thought the DA mods were stupid before, but this really takes the cake. I'm not even sure if they graduated high school anymore. Think about this, instead of going by what is acutally portrayed in the image, they are going by "the character," which is an imaginary construction. The character is a figment of some author's imagination that does not exist in the real wolrd. So I could tenchnically draw a picture of the 90 year old Mr. Burns from the Simpsons in boxer shorts and with as slightly differnt color scheme say "this is Sally the thireen year old Catholic school girl" and according to those crackpot rules that art would be banned because it's a picture of a toppless thirteen year old girl and not a 90 year old male geezer, which is what the picture actually portrays.

And yeah if the 5,000 pics of older, sexy Alice in Wonderland and Dorothy of the Wizard of Oz pics are banned, something that hasn't been considered "child pron" since the beginning of history pretty much, they may as well give ownership of the site over to Jerry Falwell University or something. What they're doing has no bassis in the law anyways.





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A more weird thing on DA, they allow pics of real peoples doing something not suitable if it was a cartoon/anime character, go figure.

But I wonder what about children cartooons characters we saw in adult form like Timmy Turner at the conclusion of the FOP episode "Channel chasers"?

If they don't allow underwear, what about swimsuits?

I have a new nick for Deviantart, how about "Nannystateart"? I was inspired from the Nanny state of the month clips showed on ReasonTV's Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3MApUFPVM
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post Jun 1 2010, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (J-Syxx @ Jun 1 2010, 01:18 AM) *
What they're doing has no bassis in the law anyways.


You mean the reason they want to ban stuff right? Cause deviantart can ban whatever the fuck they want and make it would be legal. They could suddenly become Panda Art HQ and still legal.

I do wonder what caused this. Smart money's on some stupid parent going on deviantart looking for fanart of Dora for her kids third birthday and seeing a hot 18 year old Dora in a bikini* and shitting bricks at it. I just know it involved "ANGRY SOCCER MOM!". Soccer Dad would be too busy fapping at stuff like that to care.

Either way, it's crazy crackdown shit like this that gets people to leave a site and form a more open one with less strict rules. Deviant's just shooting themselves in the foot with this.

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You mean the reason they want to ban stuff right? Cause deviantart can ban whatever the fuck they want and make it would be legal. They could suddenly become Panda Art HQ and still legal.


I meant they're not banning that stuff because it's "illegal" or if they think that, they're obviously on crack. I'm not stupid, I know they can do whatever they want. I'm going to take a wild guess and say this is a result of extreme paranoia stemming from that Iowa case. Either that or their advertisers bitched at them about something, and they're really over-reacting.





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post Jun 1 2010, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (J-Syxx @ Jun 1 2010, 05:57 PM) *
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You mean the reason they want to ban stuff right? Cause deviantart can ban whatever the fuck they want and make it would be legal. They could suddenly become Panda Art HQ and still legal.


I meant they're not banning that stuff because it's "illegal" or if they think that, they're obviously on crack. I'm not stupid, I know they can do whatever they want. I'm going to take a wild guess and say this is a result of extreme paranoia stemming from that Iowa case. Either that or their advertisers bitched at them about something, and they're really over-reacting.


Pretty sure that's what it was. I'm just so used to seeing internet noobs get modded for stuff and go "WTF FREE SPEECH VIOLATION!"

No it isn't. It's cute that you think it is though.






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post Jun 2 2010, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE (Trillium @ Jun 1 2010, 11:05 PM) *
QUOTE (J-Syxx @ Jun 1 2010, 05:57 PM) *
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You mean the reason they want to ban stuff right? Cause deviantart can ban whatever the fuck they want and make it would be legal. They could suddenly become Panda Art HQ and still legal.


I meant they're not banning that stuff because it's "illegal" or if they think that, they're obviously on crack. I'm not stupid, I know they can do whatever they want. I'm going to take a wild guess and say this is a result of extreme paranoia stemming from that Iowa case. Either that or their advertisers bitched at them about something, and they're really over-reacting.


Pretty sure that's what it was. I'm just so used to seeing internet noobs get modded for stuff and go "WTF FREE SPEECH VIOLATION!"

No it isn't. It's cute that you think it is though.


I agree with them on a certain level, not that' it's an actual legal argument, but if you can't say what you want on the internet that's pretty pathetic. There's too many douchey admins and mods that like to get off on their power trips to keep their fabricated status quo by throwing around their modding ability.





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QUOTE (J-Syxx @ Jun 2 2010, 02:34 AM) *
I agree with them on a certain level, not that' it's an actual legal argument, but if you can't say what you want on the internet that's pretty pathetic. There's too many douchey admins and mods that like to get off on their power trips to keep their fabricated status quo by throwing around their modding ability.


I think that at forums, it's well within a mods right to ban people who say certain things. Those sites tend to go down really fast though, as no one likes a overreaching asshole mod. My least favorite are mods that ban you for things you say and do elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned, a person's behavior here should only be good with our rules*. I'm not taking someone down for talking about how much pot they just smoked somewhere else.

I don't think LJ cares about what you say as long as it isn't spam or illegal in some way. I've never met anyone on there who was openly racist, but I'd imagine LJ won't ban someone for saying something racist.

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So I noticed this new rule miraculously appeared at the same time DA changed the pages for how you view art work. Now half of the page is taken up by a commercial. No not a regular flash ad, a literal fucking commercial you would see on tv with video and sound for shit like dish washing liquid. So yeah, I'm saying they didn't do this out of any legitimate legal concern, but did it because that's what theyir new super corporate advertisers demanded. Like 99/100 times something like this happens its because the advertisers tell them to ax something. The site's with self dignity will go with more lax advertisers, but obviously DA wants to sell out. So it's all about the cha-ching really.

I think this site's slow downfall is now fully in motion. I thought they were too corporate before, but now they're going to get a real backlash from it. So hopefully competing sites get some juice soon, because its obvious they don't really care about artistic freedom anymore.





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Yeah, even more evidence that DA is going down the toliet. Sam-Otaku's contest peice was deleted from DA after some douchebag reported it for containing underage characters. Fucking insane. Apparently, college students with fully developed bodies are the same thing as loli there now. I knew the mods there were assholes due to my intereactions with them, but this takes the fucking cake:

http://zentron.deviantart.com/journal/35420664/

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DUED! Thats so effing dumb! They are about as underage as my grandma! (You know, give or take 50 years) They can lick my twat because there are pictures of them on there PRE-COLLEGE of them nude. I know. I have them faved. Thats so not right! Did they restore the picture at least!




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DUED! Thats so effing dumb! They are about as underage as my grandma! (You know, give or take 50 years) They can lick my twat because there are pictures of them on there PRE-COLLEGE of them nude. I know. I have them faved. Thats so not right! Did they restore the picture at least!


Nope. In fact, they removed more of his art from what I heard.

I think I'm gonna fast track the new gallery here now. This shit is ridiculous.





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WHUUUUTTT?! Everyone did that already o3o and lol I posted hardcore gay porn there -( both of the characters under 18 - or somewhat 18ish, they're not mine and au-chan didn't really specify =3=) and never got into trouble o-o...hmmm

now that I think about it, wh the hell do I still see some pointless photos of vaginas floating around there?






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QUOTE (J-Syxx @ Oct 5 2010, 07:48 PM) *
Fucking insane. Apparently, college students with fully developed bodies are the same thing as loli there now.

Ha ! I'm now convict that DA is filled with a bunch of frustrated lolicon. That's why they like to delete anything that reminds them about their fetish.






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QUOTE (zen @ Oct 5 2010, 06:46 PM) *
now that I think about it, wh the hell do I still see some pointless photos of vaginas floating around there?


Does not compute.






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QUOTE (Trillium @ Oct 5 2010, 06:49 PM) *
QUOTE (zen @ Oct 5 2010, 06:46 PM) *
now that I think about it, wh the hell do I still see some pointless photos of vaginas floating around there?


Does not compute.


What she said is true. DA is filled with gratuitous shots of live-action models that the staff of DA apparently loves and constantly feature as their "daily deviations." I don't know if they featured a picture of a vagina yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, cartoon college girls in bikinis are well past the line, folks. The site is ran by fucking hypocrites.





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they did DD a photo of a penis once. -3-





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