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Kira Yamato
I'm pretty sure we already have a thread to discuss this (too lazy to perform a search)... Anyway, what do you think guys? Should TS receive a rebuild? What would you like to see on it? z04.png x z01.png and z05.png x z02.png yuri moments? Maybe some Jerry x M.O.M. romance? z12.png - z11.png - z10.png yaoi? Please, ideas people! Ideas!


Here goes a couple of suggestions:

- Some z32.png and z06.png background info. I would love to see their interactions before Jerry's "betrayal".

- z45.png and z42.png definitely MUST come back!

- A super sentai parody. Why not? Our Five-Man Band would be: z02.png - z03.png - z01.png - z05.png - z04.png [added for numerical convenience]. Guess who is our Sixth Ranger Traitor?

- Talking about traitors, if we consider that our beloved spies form a Power Trio, won't Britney be our famous Sixth Ranger Traitor? I would love to see it [I'm sorry, Galvatron... I'm sorry sad.gif].

- z43.png need to show up again.

- z31.png - z27.png - z26.png should become Brainwashed and Crazy once more.

- z46.png gun*** would be very appreciated to make at least a cameo.


Come on, people! Give us our ideas! biggrin.gif
Ryofu
I think I mostly want another sequel. These days, remakes or "reboots" tend to be pretty disappointing. I mean look at what happened to Powerpuff Girls. If they were to remake it, I would demand no input from the US right now since they're filled with people in animation trying to ruin everything and make it super politically correct. So yeah, French only production. Not that TS hasn't always been that since Marathon owns the property, but I would be worried about it. Only exception I think would be an anime, which would certainly be good from any Japanese studio I think.
jettmanas
Excellent topic. Love the energy you're bringing to it.
Ghidra brings up a good point as well, with the need for the show's integrity.

It's can be easy for famous US shows to have money thrown at them based off the safety of nostalgia being a 'sure-sell'.
But TS is unique due to where it was made, and the cast and feel of the show.

Been some years now since season 6, so honestly, as time passes, I'm willing to take what I can get.
If I could fund or support the show, I would. They need to drum up some financial support somehow.
When I saw "In association with TF1 and Walt Disney Co. France" in the opening credits of Season 6, I was hopeful.

The show had a new art style, and was possibly being backed by big money in Disney, but was still the show I love.
But I guess it just didn't keep going for some reason.

Having experience working on TV animation at Wild Brain animation, it would be a dream job doing cleanup art or something basic (if they needed outside help).

Your idea of adding Brittney and Mandy to the team is really cool.
Milan makes a cameo in S.6 Pageant Problems, so I think she's been released. Seeing her again would be great.

z06.png x mom.png is a fantastic idea. (You've got to scroll way down to find M.O.M., ha)
If there are no legal issues, it could open the door to bringing back Martin Mystery in crossovers, which would be amazing. Alex x Martin would be so much fun as well.

Good point on Felicity and Ariel coming back. Marathon, don't you remember Ariel saying she'd be back after she escaped? tongue.gif
Brittney as a traitor would be too sad for me. cry2.gif
Yuri would be possible if they somehow could find that niche market. It sure would be interesting after all these years to finally see them go all out!

Every season seems to be a year at school, so they'd have two seasons before graduating from college.
I'd like to see a college event with a large crowd, the girls hosting a party at their place, and something serious that pushes the feels (Sam's mom in the hospital or something).
Could go on & on, but will end with a hope for the future. bye.gif
TotallyMari
I can't decide which I'd like better. A rebuild that just stuck to basics and added new stuff, giving us more Totally Spies stories set in highschool. Or a sequel that took them into the young adult life. Either way some of the stuff I'd love to see would be z06.png X M.O.M And of course z01.png x z04.png yuri. It's honestly such a big part of the fanbase at this point that I don't see why they wouldn't at least ham up the subtext for us. And clovergif.gif getting a girlfriend would be fun, of course I don't know who it would be. Maybe they could bring back z25.png I'd also love to see all the villains coming back, and I also miss Gladis. I don't know if she'd be good in a reboot or sequel. Maybe Marathon could crowdfund for a new series, I'd definitely donate.
stephdumas
QUOTE (jettmanas @ Feb 4 2017, 07:54 AM) *
Excellent topic. Love the energy you're bringing to it.
Ghidra brings up a good point as well, with the need for the show's integrity.

It's can be easy for famous US shows to have money thrown at them based off the safety of nostalgia being a 'sure-sell'.
But TS is unique due to where it was made, and the cast and feel of the show.


Althought the idea of a rebuild/reboot is interesting, Ghilda posted a interesting point with the failed reboot of PPG (Powerpuff Girls).
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Your idea of adding Brittney and Mandy to the team is really cool.
Milan makes a cameo in S.6 Pageant Problems, so I think she's been released. Seeing her again would be great.


I like that too.

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z06.png x mom.png is a fantastic idea. (You've got to scroll way down to find M.O.M., ha)
If there are no legal issues, it could open the door to bringing back Martin Mystery in crossovers, which would be amazing. Alex x Martin would be so much fun as well.


Good point about legal issues, in the original Martin Mystery comic graphic novel series, there was no M.O.M. Maybe we got a foot in the door for a possible hope?

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Good point on Felicity and Ariel coming back. Marathon, don't you remember Ariel saying she'd be back after she escaped? tongue.gif
Brittney as a traitor would be too sad for me. cry2.gif
Yuri would be possible if they somehow could find that niche market. It sure would be interesting after all these years to finally see them go all out!


I want to return of Ariel too and S6 lacked the main big villains of the previous seasons mainly Tim Scam, Geraldine and Terrence. I would wish for a team-up of Tim Scam and Geraldine.
I don't like the idea of Britney as a traitor either unless A) she's been brainwashed or cool.gif act as a traitor so the real traitor will contact her, doing some sort of undercover mission like Sam did in Mime World. How about Blaine acting as a traitor? Despite Clover and him have broken, it'll re-ignite some spark in Clover's heart. It might look like Penny Gadget relation with Talon (Dr. Claw's nephew) in the 2015 Inspector Gadget cartoon. Then there's Britney's 2 teammates we saw in a photo in "Escape from WOOHP Island" http://totallyspies.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pe...s_displayed.jpg There's some character potential development to do with these 2 guys.

Kira Yamato
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Feb 4 2017, 01:44 AM) *
I think I mostly want another sequel. These days, remakes or "reboots" tend to be pretty disappointing. I mean look at what happened to Powerpuff Girls. If they were to remake it, I would demand no input from the US right now since they're filled with people in animation trying to ruin everything and make it super politically correct. So yeah, French only production. Not that TS hasn't always been that since Marathon owns the property, but I would be worried about it. Only exception I think would be an anime, which would certainly be good from any Japanese studio I think.

Geez, your comment sounds almost if every remake is fated to fail, danchou-onii-chan. This is not always the case anyways. Take the example of Evangelion. The first series (aired in 1995) was acclaimed for its original content, but its ending was highly debated for fans due its nonorthodox nature. Two years later, The End of Evangelion was released as a sort of alternative finale for the series. However, the movie was criticized by virtue of its gory and violent scenes, especially that one in which EVA-02 is devoured by the mass production series. Many fans argued that Hideaki Anno went nuts during its production. Very well, twelve years after the release of the original series we met its reboot, Rebuild of Evangelion. The first two movies pretty much followed the script of the first serialization (up to episode 19) with some substantial modifications. However, Evangelion 3.0: You Can (Not) Redo took a very different route, as it has shown us a Crapsack World after the Third Impact (none of this happened in the original series). The movie was higly appraised even in America, despite some plot holes that popped up due the departure of course from the anime.

I understand that many remakes have failed so far, but I think it is an exaggeration saying they will always tend to failure. This is what I advocate though. XD


QUOTE (jettmanas @ Feb 4 2017, 02:54 PM) *
Excellent topic. Love the energy you're bringing to it.
Ghidra brings up a good point as well, with the need for the show's integrity.

It's can be easy for famous US shows to have money thrown at them based off the safety of nostalgia being a 'sure-sell'.
But TS is unique due to where it was made, and the cast and feel of the show.

Been some years now since season 6, so honestly, as time passes, I'm willing to take what I can get.
If I could fund or support the show, I would. They need to drum up some financial support somehow.
When I saw "In association with TF1 and Walt Disney Co. France" in the opening credits of Season 6, I was hopeful.

The show had a new art style, and was possibly being backed by big money in Disney, but was still the show I love.
But I guess it just didn't keep going for some reason.

Having experience working on TV animation at Wild Brain animation, it would be a dream job doing cleanup art or something basic (if they needed outside help).

Your idea of adding Brittney and Mandy to the team is really cool.
Milan makes a cameo in S.6 Pageant Problems, so I think she's been released. Seeing her again would be great.

z06.png x mom.png is a fantastic idea. (You've got to scroll way down to find M.O.M., ha)
If there are no legal issues, it could open the door to bringing back Martin Mystery in crossovers, which would be amazing. Alex x Martin would be so much fun as well.

Good point on Felicity and Ariel coming back. Marathon, don't you remember Ariel saying she'd be back after she escaped? tongue.gif
Brittney as a traitor would be too sad for me. cry2.gif
Yuri would be possible if they somehow could find that niche market. It sure would be interesting after all these years to finally see them go all out!

Every season seems to be a year at school, so they'd have two seasons before graduating from college.
I'd like to see a college event with a large crowd, the girls hosting a party at their place, and something serious that pushes the feels (Sam's mom in the hospital or something).
Could go on & on, but will end with a hope for the future. bye.gif

Thanks for your encouragement, my friend! biggrin.gif

I don't really know how ot explain it, but I think Britney would pretty much be able "to counter" Mandy's Alpha Bitchness. XD Maybe it is because Britney is usually aloof and calm (even though she already showed us some signs of not being so mentally stable lol). They would make a nice duo.

About Milan, I am constantly dreaming of seeing her put a Heel-Face Turn and become an ally. laugh.gif Plus points if she becomes a spy. tongue.gif Okay, okay... I'll stop dreaming now. XD

I think z06.png x mom.png should become canon. whistle.gif But they're currently pretty much Star-Crossed Lovers for now... sad.gif

Your comment about Sammie's mon is a very nice idea! Indeed it could be an event that forces Sammie to withdraw from being a spy (please insert a plot twist or an Applied Phlebotinum here), psychologically impacting in the way Clover and Alex deal with their missions. Of course, Sammie's retirement would only be a temporary issue.


QUOTE (TotallyMari @ Feb 5 2017, 04:16 PM) *
I can't decide which I'd like better. A rebuild that just stuck to basics and added new stuff, giving us more Totally Spies stories set in highschool. Or a sequel that took them into the young adult life. Either way some of the stuff I'd love to see would be z06.png X M.O.M And of course z01.png x z04.png yuri. It's honestly such a big part of the fanbase at this point that I don't see why they wouldn't at least ham up the subtext for us. And clovergif.gif getting a girlfriend would be fun, of course I don't know who it would be. Maybe they could bring back z25.png I'd also love to see all the villains coming back, and I also miss Gladis. I don't know if she'd be good in a reboot or sequel. Maybe Marathon could crowdfund for a new series, I'd definitely donate.

Ooh, I miss z25.png and her lack of personality. LOL She should definitely make a come back. I can even picture her having catfights with Clover due to some random boy. XD

QUOTE (stephdumas @ Feb 5 2017, 04:46 PM) *
I want to return of Ariel too and S6 lacked the main big villains of the previous seasons mainly Tim Scam, Geraldine and Terrence. I would wish for a team-up of Tim Scam and Geraldine.
I don't like the idea of Britney as a traitor either unless A) she's been brainwashed or cool.gif act as a traitor so the real traitor will contact her, doing some sort of undercover mission like Sam did in Mime World. How about Blaine acting as a traitor? Despite Clover and him have broken, it'll re-ignite some spark in Clover's heart. It might look like Penny Gadget relation with Talon (Dr. Claw's nephew) in the 2015 Inspector Gadget cartoon. Then there's Britney's 2 teammates we saw in a photo in "Escape from WOOHP Island" http://totallyspies.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pe...s_displayed.jpg There's some character potential development to do with these 2 guys.

Ariel was literally Put on a Bus. I hope it didn't crash somewhere...

In relation to Britney Face-Heel Turn, I fund it because it would be so cool! XD Okay, this is not a proper explanation...

*Ahem*

She could just be The Mole Forced into Evil, as you said. But this is boring. tongue.gif I think it would be much more interesting if something happens and makes her to become evil. Imagine a very dangerous mission in which the spies' lifes are put at stake. Britney makes an Heroic Sacrifice to save her friends (and gets seriously wounded), but later discovers it was a senseless move because the spies would survive anyway. She wonders why the spies didn't come back to search her. The Big Bad shows up and uses his/her Compelling Voice to push Britney into a Despair Event Horizont. Britney starts to hate the spies. We Used to Be Friends comes as a result.
stephdumas
Some food for thoughts, if we go the remake/reboot way, how about a Japanese studio (Toei, Sunrise, Aniplex, Madhouse, etc....) doing a remake/reboot of Totally Spies? I often mentionned the idea of a "TSZ" as a anime counterpart of TS just like PPGZ was a anime remake/reboot of PPG. For the English and French dub, they just re-hire the original voice actors.
TB74
Well, that depends on what you mean by "reboot", Kira-san. A new series starting from the beginning would not be very interesting, in my opinion, unless they bring something very different to the series.

A nice possibility would be to make a series about some other Spies. I can imagine a spin-off about Britney and her teammates from WOOHP Australia. However, unless she's paired with more interesting characters than Blaine, I would probably skip on such a spin-off. If the characters are interesting, however... that could be a real nice spin-off. The Amazing Spiez! didn't work for me, but I'm sure some people actually liked the series. But spin-off and reboot aren't exactly the same thing.

What I would love to see is a series in which the Spies are older and devote most of their time to their job. Sure, it's more of a sequel than a reboot, but I think removing the school life from the series would change the series in a way a simple sequel would not. Having the Spies out of school would be a refreshing take on the school-Spy-social pattern found in Totally Spies!, and would allow the introduction of interesting, more adult plots.

The B-plots would have to come from something different from their student lives, of course. It could be about who they meet outside of their "workplace", such as friends and dates, and how they manage to keep the secret about their real job around friends and family. Running gags could include the Spies disappearing in the middle of their dates to complete a mission, and trying to repair the damage afterward, to no avail (Clover is a lot more interesting when she's single, IMHO).

This means Mandy would have to be left out of the series at times, but I'm sure creative writers would find some way to make her bump into the Spies every other episode or so. Mandy could be an international model that always end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. She doesn't have to be a model, actually. She could be a business woman who travels a lot. Or just a rich brat who travels a lot, LOL. Any reason that brings her where the Spies are is good enough. This could actually become an interesting running gag.

Imagine this scene:


z03.png "I can't believe this! We managed to graduate from Mali-U and become full-time Super Spies, and yet we keep running into... Argh!"
z02.png "I see you're taking this very well, Clover. You should be happy we could help her."
z01.png "I actually like the idea we can run into old friends and acquaintances because of our job. It's sort of... romantic."
z03.png "Romantic?"
z01.png "Not as in dinner with candles romantic."
z03.png "Uh, pu-lease. Don't you ever put Mandy and romance in the same sentence, please."
z01.png "Well... She was kind of nice this time, don't you think? Right?"
z02.png "Really? Was she nice? Oh, yeah! You're right, Sam! She wasn't as annoying as usual. That counts as kind."
z03.png "Helloooo? Really, girls? She was, like, totally annoying, vain, rude, grumpy..."
z02.png "It's okay, Clover. We get the picture..."
z03.png "...and airheaded as usual. She's a nuisance!"

Besides, it's not like the series absolutely needs Mandy as a character. The creators could replace Jerry with a really annoying boss that acts much like Mandy. Or maybe Jerry would have to impose such a character on the girls. Like a legal adviser who would constantly bug the Spies about how much property damage they're responsible for or how much strain they put on the diplomatic relationships between fictitious countries because of their blunders.

This character could also be WOOHP's physician for the Spies, who would constantly scorn them about how they always end up with dislocated shoulders and other bruises. I can surely imagine a lot of innuendo and fun jokes coming from that, especially if that physician was a sexy woman or a handsome guy... "Please remove your shirt and turn around; I need to check your lower back for possible muscle damage." wink.gif

The series could actually be about Alex, Clover and Sam meeting for the first time as they receive the "go" from Jerry to graduate from Spy apprentice to operational Spy. This means they would've trained at WOOHP for years and would only meet when they're made part of the same team... maybe a team of four with Britney, or one in which there is a guy the three girls fight for. So many possibilities, if the fans keep an open mind.

No matter the form such a rebuild would take, I would certainly want more subtext (sexual or yuri/yaoi innuendos, especially), as this is the main reason I got interested with Totally Spies! in the first place.

Otherwise, a sequel would be nice, too.

My two cents. biggrin.gif
stephdumas
QUOTE (TB74 @ Feb 5 2017, 08:32 PM) *
[size=2]Well, that depends on what you mean by "reboot", Kira-san. A new series starting from the beginning would not be very interesting, in my opinion, unless they bring something very different to the series.

A nice possibility would be to make a series about some other Spies. I can imagine a spin-off about Britney and her teammates from WOOHP Australia. However, unless she's paired with more interesting characters than Blaine, I would probably skip on such a spin-off. If the characters are interesting, however... that could be a real nice spin-off. The Amazing Spiez! didn't work for me, but I'm sure some people actually liked the series. But spin-off and reboot aren't exactly the same thing.


I like the idea of a spin-off with Britney and some other characters might be spin-off potential like Pam, Crimson and Alice from Spies vs Spies, Donna the biker girl from Spy gladiators who could be introduced to WOOHP. Even the Spies mothers could have some spin-off potential.

TB74
QUOTE (stephdumas @ Feb 6 2017, 01:17 PM) *
I like the idea of a spin-off with Britney and some other characters might be spin-off potential like Pam, Crimson and Alice [...]


That could indeed be interesting, especially if Pam, Crimson and Alice are in their teens or are young adults. Since such a series would take place a few years before Alex, Clover and Sam could even think about becoming Spies, the series could include some cool retro elements.

Stranger Things is a good example of a series that had a great and accurate era representation (I was about the age of these kids in the 80's, so I know first hand). Yet that retro aspect was never used as an excuse for poor writing or direction.

If the writers of a Totally Spies! spin-off featuring Alice, Crimson and Pam can come up with something new and interesting, I'd sure root for such a series.

Otherwise, I'll just pass... There are other (more) interesting series out there, IMHO.
GrandMasterGalvatron
Man, I didn't realize it's been over 15 years since the show started. Where in the world has the time gone?

At this point, I'd probably set the timeline just a little bit in the future and do a Generation 2. We've been with the main girls as they've gone through high school and just about completed college. 6 seasons without a main cast change is actually really really generous, and it's frankly amazing that the show managed to make it work the way they did. Even Power Rangers didn't hold on to its OG cast that long (though they came close).

Reboots are often always terrible anyway.
Ryofu
QUOTE (GrandMasterGalvatron @ Mar 18 2017, 08:36 AM) *
Man, I didn't realize it's been over 15 years since the show started. Where in the world has the time gone?

At this point, I'd probably set the timeline just a little bit in the future and do a Generation 2. We've been with the main girls as they've gone through high school and just about completed college. 6 seasons without a main cast change is actually really really generous, and it's frankly amazing that the show managed to make it work the way they did. Even Power Rangers didn't hold on to its OG cast that long (though they came close).

Reboots are often always terrible anyway.


Welcome back, GMG!

Personally, I'd really hate the idea of a Generation 2, because then all our shipping would get fucked up and we'd end up with stuff like, "Here's Clover and Blaine's daughter, they're married now." I mean you can't trust them not to mess up our head canons, but whatever. If they wanted to do another cast, just use alternate characters I think. I guess they did that with Amazing Spiez, but maybe it didn't have the same kind of impact for people because the cast was more kiddy. But it may just be better to do a Scooby Doo and just retain the core characters indefinitely. I don't think everyone is tired of them anyways.
TotalShippingTrash_01
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 18 2017, 09:56 AM) *
QUOTE (GrandMasterGalvatron @ Mar 18 2017, 08:36 AM) *
Man, I didn't realize it's been over 15 years since the show started. Where in the world has the time gone?

At this point, I'd probably set the timeline just a little bit in the future and do a Generation 2. We've been with the main girls as they've gone through high school and just about completed college. 6 seasons without a main cast change is actually really really generous, and it's frankly amazing that the show managed to make it work the way they did. Even Power Rangers didn't hold on to its OG cast that long (though they came close).

Reboots are often always terrible anyway.


Welcome back, GMG!

Personally, I'd really hate the idea of a Generation 2, because then all our shipping would get fucked up and we'd end up with stuff like, "Here's Clover and Blaine's daughter, they're married now." I mean you can't trust them not to mess up our head canons, but whatever. If they wanted to do another cast, just use alternate characters I think. I guess they did that with Amazing Spiez, but maybe it didn't have the same kind of impact for people because the cast was more kiddy. But it may just be better to do a Scooby Doo and just retain the core characters indefinitely. I don't think everyone is tired of them anyways.

Couldn't agree more! They'd fuck up our ships!! XD
jettmanas
Ah so much activity- awesome. Good points on both sides. Scooby Doo serving as an example of a timeless cast.
They go through redesigns over the decades, and some people hate how they look, but at least they're around.

There's something about a group of high school/college age heroes that really appeals to some of us.
I've watched every ep. of each Marathon 2D show (TS, Martin Myatery, Team Galaxy & Amazing Spiez), a lot of Be Cool Scooby Doo, SD Mystery Incorporated, & older stuff, Josie, etc.

Good news is this fall Big Hero 6 series is on the way (2D animation). It's no TS, but has a few sweet female characters.

I'm curious what's up these days at Marathon. If it ever does come back (anything's possible), I'd be excited for a PS4 video game (if possible). Here, the dream lives on. Ian.png
Kira Yamato
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 18 2017, 04:56 PM) *
QUOTE (GrandMasterGalvatron @ Mar 18 2017, 08:36 AM) *
Man, I didn't realize it's been over 15 years since the show started. Where in the world has the time gone?

At this point, I'd probably set the timeline just a little bit in the future and do a Generation 2. We've been with the main girls as they've gone through high school and just about completed college. 6 seasons without a main cast change is actually really really generous, and it's frankly amazing that the show managed to make it work the way they did. Even Power Rangers didn't hold on to its OG cast that long (though they came close).

Reboots are often always terrible anyway.


Welcome back, GMG!

Personally, I'd really hate the idea of a Generation 2, because then all our shipping would get fucked up and we'd end up with stuff like, "Here's Clover and Blaine's daughter, they're married now." I mean you can't trust them not to mess up our head canons, but whatever. If they wanted to do another cast, just use alternate characters I think. I guess they did that with Amazing Spiez, but maybe it didn't have the same kind of impact for people because the cast was more kiddy. But it may just be better to do a Scooby Doo and just retain the core characters indefinitely. I don't think everyone is tired of them anyways.

I'll be frank and admit that I don't have anything against couples. They may be very interesting if the author is good enough to manage them.

Take Clannad as example. Tomoya and Nagisa met in the first episode, and stayed the whole season knowing better each other. Tomoya proposed Nagisa during the final five minutes of the last episode (season 1), and expanded their relationship in season 2. They got married and had an adorable child (Ushio-chan). Nagisa "died" giving birth to Ushio. She would come back later. One can easily see that both characters evolved within the span of two seasons.

I think it would be nice witnessing the very same progress with the spies, even if it costs our ships. From season 4 to the last episode of season 6, the spies have shown a lot of progress towards a variety of fields, especially those concerning their skills as super spies. However, I always felt that they were kinda one-dimensional when it matters to relationships (Blaine x Clover averts this though).

But I guess it is rather impossible to see a rebuild in which the relationships are upgraded. I mean, Totally Spies is not a slice of life series as Clannad is. Nevetheless, I can keep dreaming. XD

Ryofu
QUOTE (Kira Yamato @ Mar 19 2017, 04:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 18 2017, 04:56 PM) *
QUOTE (GrandMasterGalvatron @ Mar 18 2017, 08:36 AM) *
Man, I didn't realize it's been over 15 years since the show started. Where in the world has the time gone?

At this point, I'd probably set the timeline just a little bit in the future and do a Generation 2. We've been with the main girls as they've gone through high school and just about completed college. 6 seasons without a main cast change is actually really really generous, and it's frankly amazing that the show managed to make it work the way they did. Even Power Rangers didn't hold on to its OG cast that long (though they came close).

Reboots are often always terrible anyway.


Welcome back, GMG!

Personally, I'd really hate the idea of a Generation 2, because then all our shipping would get fucked up and we'd end up with stuff like, "Here's Clover and Blaine's daughter, they're married now." I mean you can't trust them not to mess up our head canons, but whatever. If they wanted to do another cast, just use alternate characters I think. I guess they did that with Amazing Spiez, but maybe it didn't have the same kind of impact for people because the cast was more kiddy. But it may just be better to do a Scooby Doo and just retain the core characters indefinitely. I don't think everyone is tired of them anyways.

I'll be frank and admit that I don't have anything against couples. They may be very interesting if the author is good enough to manage them.

Take Clannad as example. Tomoya and Nagisa met in the first episode, and stayed the whole season knowing better each other. Tomoya proposed Nagisa during the final five minutes of the last episode (season 1), and expanded their relationship in season 2. They got married and had an adorable child (Ushio-chan). Nagisa "died" giving birth to Ushio. She would come back later. One can easily see that both characters evolved within the span of two seasons.

I think it would be nice witnessing the very same progress with the spies, even if it costs our ships. From season 4 to the last episode of season 6, the spies have shown a lot of progress towards a variety of fields, especially those concerning their skills as super spies. However, I always felt that they were kinda one-dimensional when it matters to relationships (Blaine x Clover averts this though).

But I guess it is rather impossible to see a rebuild in which the relationships are upgraded. I mean, Totally Spies is not a slice of life series as Clannad is. Nevetheless, I can keep dreaming. XD



Well Clannad focuses on heterosexual romance I think. So it's just following the obvious paths of its own story arcs. To me, I admit I like TS partly because I can yuri ship it. So if they do some future storylines that kill off yuri potential, it's going to ruin my interest. It would be like marrying off the cast of Strike Witches or something to guys. No one wants to see that. This did happen to me once though. Kim Possible has a big yuri fandom. However, they basically married her off to her token male side kick, and I haven't cared about Kim Possible since. That was probably 10 years ago or something. lol
Kira Yamato
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 20 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Well Clannad focuses on heterosexual romance I think. So it's just following the obvious paths of its own story arcs. To me, I admit I like TS partly because I can yuri ship it. So if they do some future storylines that kill off yuri potential, it's going to ruin my interest. It would be like marrying off the cast of Strike Witches or something to guys. No one wants to see that. This did happen to me once though. Kim Possible has a big yuri fandom. However, they basically married her off to her token male side kick, and I haven't cared about Kim Possible since. That was probably 10 years ago or something. lol

Sheesh, it seems danchou-onii-chan got a point there. tongue.gif About Clannad, I was hoping to see an yaoi pairing between Tomoya and (baka-)Sunohara, but it didn't come up. XD J/K It could also be a threesome between Tomoya and the Fujibayashi sisters, but I guess KyoAni doesn't like this sort of thing. >.<

Back on topic, I would surely give all my money to fund a possible threesome between the spies. lol I mean, Sam and Clover had shown some (almost) Les Yay moments before; forcing Alex to join the club would not be that hard, I think. Britney would surely be very welcome to join. XD

Okay, okay... let me stop talking nonsense now. lol
Ryofu
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Sheesh, it seems danchou-onii-chan got a point there. tongue.gif About Clannad, I was hoping to see an yaoi pairing between Tomoya and (baka-)Sunohara, but it didn't come up. XD


You could always just write a fanficiton, onii-chan!

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Back on topic, I would surely give all my money to fund a possible threesome between the spies. lol I mean, Sam and Clover had shown some (almost) Les Yay moments before; forcing Alex to join the club would not be that hard, I think. Britney would surely be very welcome to join. XD

Okay, okay... let me stop talking nonsense now. lol


So you want to see the spies in a threesome and then a foursome? Please tell us more about this idea. XD Alex certainly has Les Yay moments. Remember when Clover and Sam fought with each other to be her best friend?
Kira Yamato
Kinda feel I should revive this thread again! XD

QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 21 2017, 06:28 PM) *
So you want to see the spies in a threesome and then a foursome? Please tell us more about this idea. XD Alex certainly has Les Yay moments. Remember when Clover and Sam fought with each other to be her best friend?

Ops, can't tell you those things here, onii-chan! Th ecensorship bar will come up if I try to tell you something. lol Anyway, waht about a fivesome? Let Mandy join the party!

Hope she doesn't hear me. unsure.gif
Ryofu
QUOTE (Kira Yamato @ Jul 27 2017, 05:35 PM) *
Kinda feel I should revive this thread again! XD

QUOTE (Ghidra @ Mar 21 2017, 06:28 PM) *
So you want to see the spies in a threesome and then a foursome? Please tell us more about this idea. XD Alex certainly has Les Yay moments. Remember when Clover and Sam fought with each other to be her best friend?

Ops, can't tell you those things here, onii-chan! Th ecensorship bar will come up if I try to tell you something. lol Anyway, waht about a fivesome? Let Mandy join the party!

Hope she doesn't hear me. unsure.gif



Haha, a Clover/Alex/Sam/Many/Britney fivesome is surely a great idea. xd I want to hear more about this idea, onii-chan! I will block the ecensorship bar for you so tell me what you have in mind. tongue.gif XD
hdc
QUOTE (TotallyMari @ Feb 5 2017, 07:16 AM) *
a sequel that took them into the young adult life.


That's what I'd like to see. Instead of balancing their spy jobs with school, they would have to balance it with work and relationships.

As much as I like Jerry, he might have retired by now so maybe Sam would take over his role while still being able to help out on missions sometimes?

IIRC Clover wants to be a fashion designer so maybe she would end up moving to NYC or Paris or Milan?

One or more of them might want to get married and have kids (though of course I'd be happiest if their relationships were all yuri).

In general the girls would have to work at staying close as they inevitably grow apart into their individual adult lives. (IIRC, in "Futureshock" Alex thought it was cool they were still living together in 2025 whereas Clover was appalled they were 30something and still single.) It would be nice if they could stay as close forever as they were in high school, but I think real life is not like that, plus having them grow apart a bit would introduce more dramatic potential.

As long as I'm wishing, it would also be nice to have ongoing story arcs and character/relationship development as opposed to the more self-contained/static nature of the original show (I suppose what I'm asking for is getting into 90210 territory, which I never watched).

On a side note, I've noticed a lot of products aimed at those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s (for example, making-of books about Masters of the Universe/She-Ra, TMNT, etc., reprints and replicas of long-discontinued comics and toys, etc.) However when I look on Amazon for TS stuff, about all I can find are DVDs of the first three seasons with no extras. It almost seems like the series has to age a little more before it gets that kind of nostalgia treatment : ( I was surprised to find that (as far as I can see) TS doesn't seem to have been made to sell action figures or other toys, since that was so common with all the cartoons I grew up with.
Ryofu
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TS doesn't seem to have been made to sell action figures or other toys, since that was so common with all the cartoons I grew up with.


There were some dolls, but so few of them were made, they may as well have never existed at all. I've certainly never seen them anywhere. There was more TS merchandise in Europe, where the show made more money I think (although it did pull in big ratings in 2004 until Cartoon Network decided to give it the bastard step-child treatment). You can probably still find the video games that were made though. Only one of them didn't make it to the US I think.
hdc
QUOTE (Ghidra @ Sep 3 2017, 04:39 PM) *
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TS doesn't seem to have been made to sell action figures or other toys, since that was so common with all the cartoons I grew up with.


There were some dolls, but so few of them were made, they may as well have never existed at all. I've certainly never seen them anywhere. There was more TS merchandise in Europe, where the show made more money I think (although it did pull in big ratings in 2004 until Cartoon Network decided to give it the bastard step-child treatment). You can probably still find the video games that were made though. Only one of them didn't make it to the US I think.


Yes I've seen the Clover and Alex dolls on Amazon for $120 and $140 respectively, but they don't look much like the characters IMO.

It looks like there was another set made in France. As you say that's probably a better place to look for merchandise.

I tried figurerealm but oddly found nothing there.

I'm a little more interested in some of the comics I've seen scanned here (example), as they look like they're drawn in a style that's very close to the cartoon, which is rarity in the fandoms I'm familiar with.

I also note there seem to be at least three distinct art styles used in their merchandising. Some of the products appear to just use art lifted from the show, some give them a (IMO) slightly more masculine look, and some give them a kind of stylized cutesy look that I kinda like.
Ryofu
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Some of the products appear to just use art lifted from the show, some give them a (IMO) slightly more masculine look, and some give them a kind of stylized cutesy look that I kinda like.


The first one is from the character design style they used from Season 3 to 5. The cutesy stylized look was used in a lot of non-cartoon promo stuff early on. The comics, which re-adapt episodes, has a style similar to that (but not exactly). They were originally published in Totally Spies Magazine (which I think was only sold in French speaking countries in Europe) and then later re-printed in book format in the US (although I've never seen them anywhere other than online).
amysorel12
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes
jettmanas
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 2 2018, 04:30 PM) *
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes


Interesting. Thanks for the post. Good to have show discussion going!

Martin Mystery would be a great match for her imo- they hit it off in the crossover.

Adult themes would be unique- can't remember a show going from kid friendly to that.
Personally, I want it to stay kid friendly for wider appeal.
(Actually introduced the kids I nanny to it a few months ago) It's been a blast picking out eps. (and the movie) for them to enjoy. tongue.gif
amysorel12
QUOTE (jettmanas @ Nov 4 2018, 11:00 PM) *
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 2 2018, 04:30 PM) *
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes


Interesting. Thanks for the post. Good to have show discussion going!

Martin Mystery would be a great match for her imo- they hit it off in the crossover.

Adult themes would be unique- can't remember a show going from kid friendly to that.
Personally, I want it to stay kid friendly for wider appeal.
(Actually introduced the kids I nanny to it a few months ago) It's been a blast picking out eps. (and the movie) for them to enjoy. tongue.gif


Okay then...skip the mature themes...maybe some serious plots would be nice. Oh, and keep the same art style maybe from season 3 to 4. Oh, and I would like for Alex to be charmed by a handsome evil villian then along the line, she realizes what she's doing is wrong. Lol.
Ryofu
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 6 2018, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (jettmanas @ Nov 4 2018, 11:00 PM) *
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 2 2018, 04:30 PM) *
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes


Interesting. Thanks for the post. Good to have show discussion going!

Martin Mystery would be a great match for her imo- they hit it off in the crossover.

Adult themes would be unique- can't remember a show going from kid friendly to that.
Personally, I want it to stay kid friendly for wider appeal.
(Actually introduced the kids I nanny to it a few months ago) It's been a blast picking out eps. (and the movie) for them to enjoy. tongue.gif


Okay then...skip the mature themes...maybe some serious plots would be nice. Oh, and keep the same art style maybe from season 3 to 4. Oh, and I would like for Alex to be charmed by an handsome evil villian then along the line, she realizes what she's doing is wrong. Lol.


I vote in favor of adult themes. lol All the people who still remember TS are pretty much adults by now anyways.

Sam and Clover have both had episodes like that, but not Alex so far as far as I know.
stephdumas
Alex being swayed by an handsome vilain or as I mentionned way earlier in the case of Britney, act as a vilain to do a undercover mission like Sam did in season 5.

I'd like to see Martin Mystery returning for another episode too and while we're at it, let's get Diana joining as well. smile.gif
Kira Yamato
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 3 2018, 01:30 AM) *
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes

Nice ideias!

If I'm allowed to expand your thoughts, maybe we could consider a scenario in which that handsome villain is actually disguised as Alex's boyfriend.

This guy could be responsible not only to turn Alex a Brainwashed and Crazy, Blood Knight supervillain (in the same sense as Clover became The Dragon to Geraldine in S.3 Super Agent Much?), but he could also have a secret agenda to destroy the spies and to get revenge against WOOHP (he could be an employee who was kicked out from WOOHP due to some kind of evil deed, pretty much like Tim Scam).


QUOTE (Ryofu @ Nov 6 2018, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 6 2018, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (jettmanas @ Nov 4 2018, 11:00 PM) *
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Nov 2 2018, 04:30 PM) *
I would love to see Alex turn evil in a 3 part episode. Like, she can be swayed by a handsome villian. (she'll be on the good side again at the end of part 3.)

I would love for Alex to have a steady boyfriend for a couple of episodes

And some adult themes


Interesting. Thanks for the post. Good to have show discussion going!

Martin Mystery would be a great match for her imo- they hit it off in the crossover.

Adult themes would be unique- can't remember a show going from kid friendly to that.
Personally, I want it to stay kid friendly for wider appeal.
(Actually introduced the kids I nanny to it a few months ago) It's been a blast picking out eps. (and the movie) for them to enjoy. tongue.gif


Okay then...skip the mature themes...maybe some serious plots would be nice. Oh, and keep the same art style maybe from season 3 to 4. Oh, and I would like for Alex to be charmed by an handsome evil villian then along the line, she realizes what she's doing is wrong. Lol.


I vote in favor of adult themes. lol All the people who still remember TS are pretty much adults by now anyways.

Sam and Clover have both had episodes like that, but not Alex so far as far as I know.

Can I ask for an uncensored Anime Bath Scene? Can I? Can I!? tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
stephdumas
QUOTE (Kira Yamato @ Nov 19 2018, 02:37 PM) *
This guy could be responsible not only to turn Alex a Brainwashed and Crazy, Blood Knight supervillain (in the same sense as Clover became The Dragon to Geraldine in S.3 Super Agent Much?), but he could also have a secret agenda to destroy the spies and to get revenge against WOOHP (he could be an employee who was kicked out from WOOHP due to some kind of evil deed, pretty much like Tim Scam).[/size][/font][/color]

Can I ask for an uncensored Anime Bath Scene? Can I? Can I!? tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Or an unknown guy like Edison who kidnapped and brainwashed Pam, Crimson and Alice in Spies vs Spies.

I guess we might have an anime bath scene with swimsuits like the episode "Ski trip". http://woohp.org/gallery/displayimage.php?...m=52&pos=88
Stasis Muffin
QUOTE (stephdumas @ Nov 19 2018, 06:55 PM) *
I guess we might have an anime bath scene with swimsuits like the episode "Ski trip". http://woohp.org/gallery/displayimage.php?...m=52&pos=88


Someone needs to make a nude version of that image...
Ryofu
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Can I ask for an uncensored Anime Bath Scene? Can I? Can I!? tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Yes, you can. That should happen. XD Sam-icon.pngMandy-icon.pngAlex-icon.gifClover-icon.pngangelstar-kaos063.gif

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Someone needs to make a nude version of that image...


Maybe you should draw it. tongue.gif
amysorel12
Have Alex have more badass moments.
Nextstopplease
I mentioned this on another post but somewhere on this site someone mentioned how awesome it would be to see the spies now in their 20s in a show mainly aimed at adults like how Samurai Jack got a more mature season on Adult Swim. Now that is something I'd love to see! Includes casual swearing, blood from fighting and more crude humour! Something that is more mature and sophisticated than the original show.

Now as young adults, the girls are living apart from each other and starting their professional careers. I like hdc's idea of Clover living overseas as a fashion designer, maybe the distance puts an extra strain on the spies' friendship since it's harder to keep in touch with one another. The time difference makes it more difficult too, Alex & Sam in LA trying to call Clover in Milan who is 8 hours ahead. *Insert scene of exhausted bedhead Clover in her blue nightgown answering her X-powder at 3am*

For the villains maybe something like LAMOS 2.0 coming back for revenge and, as mentioned in the earlier posts, Ariel making a comeback! Sam being brainwashed into a Xena character since it's in her blood sammys.gif And of course the most evil of villains... Mandy! laugh.gif Maybe something similar to the Futureshock where she wants to take over the world, maybe she's the leader of LAMOS 2.0!

Jerry is getting on to be an old boy and maybe now has an apprentice working for him. So when Jerry finally decides to retire, this apprentice will take over WOOHP. This would be a perfect opportunity for the apprentice to actually be evil. Similar to Evil Boyfriend where they use the spy's trust for their evil deeds.

As for the spies' romantic relationships, I think having at least one of them come out as lesbian or bisexual would be pretty real (it's 2019 people!) Clover getting a girlfriend would definitely be a game changer! I mean in my ideal world I would love Clover x Sam tongue.gif Sam is lesbian, Clover is bi and Alex is straight. I can imagine Alex having a steady boyfriend in this era (Martin Mystery anyone?) and Clover being a casual hook-up hottie wink.gif Sam is a single pringle and ready to mingle (or does she have unrequited love for Clover???)
amysorel12
QUOTE (Nextstopplease @ Mar 18 2019, 07:08 AM) *
I mentioned this on another post but somewhere on this site someone mentioned how awesome it would be to see the spies now in their 20s in a show mainly aimed at adults like how Samurai Jack got a more mature season on Adult Swim. Now that is something I'd love to see! Includes casual swearing, blood from fighting and more crude humour! Something that is more mature and sophisticated than the original show.

Now as young adults, the girls are living apart from each other and starting their professional careers. I like hdc's idea of Clover living overseas as a fashion designer, maybe the distance puts an extra strain on the spies' friendship since it's harder to keep in touch with one another. The time difference makes it more difficult too, Alex & Sam in LA trying to call Clover in Milan who is 8 hours ahead. *Insert scene of exhausted bedhead Clover in her blue nightgown answering her X-powder at 3am*

For the villains maybe something like LAMOS 2.0 coming back for revenge and, as mentioned in the earlier posts, Ariel making a comeback! Sam being brainwashed into a Xena character since it's in her blood sammys.gif And of course the most evil of villains... Mandy! laugh.gif Maybe something similar to the Futureshock where she wants to take over the world, maybe she's the leader of LAMOS 2.0!

Jerry is getting on to be an old boy and maybe now has an apprentice working for him. So when Jerry finally decides to retire, this apprentice will take over WOOHP. This would be a perfect opportunity for the apprentice to actually be evil. Similar to Evil Boyfriend where they use the spy's trust for their evil deeds.

As for the spies' romantic relationships, I think having at least one of them come out as lesbian or bisexual would be pretty real (it's 2019 people!) Clover getting a girlfriend would definitely be a game changer! I mean in my ideal world I would love Clover x Sam tongue.gif Sam is lesbian, Clover is bi and Alex is straight. I can imagine Alex having a steady boyfriend in this era (Martin Mystery anyone?) and Clover being a casual hook-up hottie wink.gif Sam is a single pringle and ready to mingle (or does she have unrequited love for Clover???)


I would rather see Alex getting it on with Clover! XP
Ryofu
QUOTE (Nextstopplease @ Mar 18 2019, 09:08 AM) *
I mentioned this on another post but somewhere on this site someone mentioned how awesome it would be to see the spies now in their 20s in a show mainly aimed at adults like how Samurai Jack got a more mature season on Adult Swim. Now that is something I'd love to see! Includes casual swearing, blood from fighting and more crude humour! Something that is more mature and sophisticated than the original show.

Now as young adults, the girls are living apart from each other and starting their professional careers. I like hdc's idea of Clover living overseas as a fashion designer, maybe the distance puts an extra strain on the spies' friendship since it's harder to keep in touch with one another. The time difference makes it more difficult too, Alex & Sam in LA trying to call Clover in Milan who is 8 hours ahead. *Insert scene of exhausted bedhead Clover in her blue nightgown answering her X-powder at 3am*

For the villains maybe something like LAMOS 2.0 coming back for revenge and, as mentioned in the earlier posts, Ariel making a comeback! Sam being brainwashed into a Xena character since it's in her blood sammys.gif And of course the most evil of villains... Mandy! laugh.gif Maybe something similar to the Futureshock where she wants to take over the world, maybe she's the leader of LAMOS 2.0!

Jerry is getting on to be an old boy and maybe now has an apprentice working for him. So when Jerry finally decides to retire, this apprentice will take over WOOHP. This would be a perfect opportunity for the apprentice to actually be evil. Similar to Evil Boyfriend where they use the spy's trust for their evil deeds.

As for the spies' romantic relationships, I think having at least one of them come out as lesbian or bisexual would be pretty real (it's 2019 people!) Clover getting a girlfriend would definitely be a game changer! I mean in my ideal world I would love Clover x Sam tongue.gif Sam is lesbian, Clover is bi and Alex is straight. I can imagine Alex having a steady boyfriend in this era (Martin Mystery anyone?) and Clover being a casual hook-up hottie wink.gif Sam is a single pringle and ready to mingle (or does she have unrequited love for Clover???)


Your ideas are really great, but I think I would do it slightly differently. I think they could already do most of that without making them older. They're in college now. So just do more of them in college but maybe increase the sex appeal, naughtiness of the jokes, violence etc. I kind of like them living together, and college makes that logical. It really reinforces the trio dynamic of their super strong bond, and having them live apart would kind of delude that. Then of course they would be tempted to age them up even more and then introduce their children as main characters they had with their husbands, which would be pretty lame and mess up our shipping. XD

I dunno. Who knows when TS will get another season. I just hope they don't mess it up too much. Western cartoon are a whole lot worse right now. I don't want to see the spies drawn like Steven Universe with noodle arms and Calarts potato heads or something. XD

Another thing I like about TS is the ability to ship any of the characters together, because they all seem bisexual or lesbian at different times. Don't really know if it's necessary for them to come out since that would remove some of the tension about, "could they get together, is it possible?" The best thing about yuri stuff is the slow burn of subtext up until you get a payoff for a couple. It's what keeps you interested. I think the idea of coming out is becoming slightly outmoded in 2019 as well. It's just something you learn when you get to know somebody, but that's just me. Not many people fully understand my sexuality, and I don't like explaining it to everyone without prodding. laugh.gif
stephdumas
QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Mar 18 2019, 02:07 PM) *
I would rather see Alex getting it on with Clover! XP


And Britney? whistle.gif
jettmanas
QUOTE (Ryofu @ Mar 18 2019, 06:00 PM) *
QUOTE (Nextstopplease @ Mar 18 2019, 09:08 AM) *
I mentioned this on another post but somewhere on this site someone mentioned how awesome it would be to see the spies now in their 20s in a show mainly aimed at adults like how Samurai Jack got a more mature season on Adult Swim. Now that is something I'd love to see! Includes casual swearing, blood from fighting and more crude humour! Something that is more mature and sophisticated than the original show.

Now as young adults, the girls are living apart from each other and starting their professional careers. I like hdc's idea of Clover living overseas as a fashion designer, maybe the distance puts an extra strain on the spies' friendship since it's harder to keep in touch with one another. The time difference makes it more difficult too, Alex & Sam in LA trying to call Clover in Milan who is 8 hours ahead. *Insert scene of exhausted bedhead Clover in her blue nightgown answering her X-powder at 3am*

For the villains maybe something like LAMOS 2.0 coming back for revenge and, as mentioned in the earlier posts, Ariel making a comeback! Sam being brainwashed into a Xena character since it's in her blood sammys.gif And of course the most evil of villains... Mandy! laugh.gif Maybe something similar to the Futureshock where she wants to take over the world, maybe she's the leader of LAMOS 2.0!

Jerry is getting on to be an old boy and maybe now has an apprentice working for him. So when Jerry finally decides to retire, this apprentice will take over WOOHP. This would be a perfect opportunity for the apprentice to actually be evil. Similar to Evil Boyfriend where they use the spy's trust for their evil deeds.

As for the spies' romantic relationships, I think having at least one of them come out as lesbian or bisexual would be pretty real (it's 2019 people!) Clover getting a girlfriend would definitely be a game changer! I mean in my ideal world I would love Clover x Sam tongue.gif Sam is lesbian, Clover is bi and Alex is straight. I can imagine Alex having a steady boyfriend in this era (Martin Mystery anyone?) and Clover being a casual hook-up hottie wink.gif Sam is a single pringle and ready to mingle (or does she have unrequited love for Clover???)


Your ideas are really great, but I think I would do it slightly differently. I think they could already do most of that without making them older. They're in college now. So just do more of them in college but maybe increase the sex appeal, naughtiness of the jokes, violence etc. I kind of like them living together, and college makes that logical. It really reinforces the trio dynamic of their super strong bond, and having them live apart would kind of delude that. Then of course they would be tempted to age them up even more and then introduce their children as main characters they had with their husbands, which would be pretty lame and mess up our shipping. XD

I dunno. Who knows when TS will get another season. I just hope they don't mess it up too much. Western cartoon are a whole lot worse right now. I don't want to see the spies drawn like Steven Universe with noodle arms and Calarts potato heads or something. XD

Another thing I like about TS is the ability to ship any of the characters together, because they all seem bisexual or lesbian at different times. Don't really know if it's necessary for them to come out since that would remove some of the tension about, "could they get together, is it possible?" The best thing about yuri stuff is the slow burn of subtext up until you get a payoff for a couple. It's what keeps you interested. I think the idea of coming out is becoming slightly outmoded in 2019 as well. It's just something you learn when you get to know somebody, but that's just me. Not many people fully understand my sexuality, and I don't like explaining it to everyone without prodding. laugh.gif


Good points as well, including design choices (I agree on much of western cartoons) and subtext of relationships.
Marvel Rising has a nice artstyle, and has some interesting female friendships, such as Kamala & Doreen (Squirrel Girl), Doreen and others, stuff w/Gwen, and so on.

But yeah, I wouldn't want the show to start over from when they first meet. Building on the foundation already set & so much backstory is something I enjoy. smile.gif
Ryofu
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Marvel Rising has a nice artstyle, and has some interesting female friendships, such as Kamala & Doreen (Squirrel Girl), Doreen and others, stuff w/Gwen, and so on.


I can't really take the SJW make-overs of those characters seriously. They took away Miss Marvel's costume and femininity and made her dress in a coservative body suit as Captain Marvel, and then made the new Miss Marvel into a Muslim fangirl (I wonder if she supports the state of Israel or is like Representatives Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and thinks it shouldn't exist, hmm laugh.gif). Gwen Stacy should be dead, and what they did to Squirrel Girl's character design was ridiculous. That America character was probably the biggest abortion in comics sales ever, yet Marvel still wants to promote her via a cartoon.

I think Marvel's time in the lime light may be eclipsing soon. Everyone I know is giving up on it after End Game. That doesn't include me though. I haven't seen a Marvel movie since the first Deadpool (and an official MCU movie since Avengers 1) and haven't bought a Marvel Comic since 2012. But that's just me though. I used to be a big Marvel fan, but then they gave the entire thing to Twitter/Tumblr clique people to run into the ground. Whatever people think of Totally Spies, at least it has existed separate of Starbucks's hipster political correctness (even mocking it at times). I wonder how much longer that will last? lol
jettmanas
QUOTE (Ryofu @ Mar 18 2019, 08:20 PM) *
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Marvel Rising has a nice artstyle, and has some interesting female friendships, such as Kamala & Doreen (Squirrel Girl), Doreen and others, stuff w/Gwen, and so on.


I can't really take the SJW make-overs of those characters seriously. They took away Miss Marvel's costume and femininity and made her dress in a coservative body suit as Captain Marvel, and then made the new Miss Marvel into a Muslim fangirl (I wonder if she supports the state of Israel or is like Representatives Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and thinks it shouldn't exist, hmm laugh.gif). Gwen Stacy should be dead, and what they did to Squirrel Girl's character design was ridiculous. That America character was probably the biggest abortion in comics sales ever, yet Marvel still wants to promote her via a cartoon.

I think Marvel's time in the lime light may be eclipsing soon. Everyone I know is giving up on it after End Game. That doesn't include me though. I haven't seen a Marvel movie since the first Deadpool (and an official MCU movie since Avengers 1) and haven't bought a Marvel Comic since 2012. But that's just me though. I used to be a big Marvel fan, but then they gave the entire thing to Twitter/Tumblr clique people to run into the ground. Whatever people think of Totally Spies, at least it has existed separate of Starbucks's hipster political correctness (even mocking it at times). I wonder how much longer that will last? lol


Interesting points on Marvel; I did get the point on them pushing some agendas. Didn't realize that on Twitter/Tumblr.
And I agree on TS being separate from all that- likely due to the fact of it being a French-Canadian production and/or the creators' vision.

Ryofu
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Interesting points on Marvel; I did get the point on them pushing some agendas. Didn't realize that on Twitter/Tumblr.
And I agree on TS being separate from all that- likely due to the fact of it being a French-Canadian production and/or the creators' vision.


SJWs are notorious for networking on Twitter and Tumblr. In this case, most of the writers/artists responsible for the new "woke" version of Marvel Comics are part of that clique. This hasn't really affected the movies much so far, but it destroyed the comic sales because the hardcore fanbase got annoyed and stopped buying their titles. DC Comics has been thrashing Marvel on comic sales last I checked a while ago. Sadly, the movies are the opposite, so the movies' success so far have just subsidized Marvel's malpractice with its printed comic books. I don't know if that will last long if they do get rid of the old actors and try to push "woke Marvel" to the movie screen. When actors leave a property, regular movie goes sometimes use that as a jump-off point. It's why Spiderman movies have struggled to make as much as the movies with Tobey, Dunst, etc.

The majority of Totally Spies was also produced before things got bad. I think the tipping point was 2012.
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QUOTE (amysorel12 @ Mar 18 2019, 11:07 AM) *
I would rather see Alex getting it on with Clover! XP


Alex -> Clover is still my default headcanon unrequited crush.
Clover seems like an easy person to have an unrequited crush girl-on-girl on since (1) she's kinda flighty and hard to pin down and (2) she's boy crazy and kinda self-centered so she might be slow to read the signs from one of her best (female) friends.

If either Clover or Sam had a crush on the other, I feel like it would be resolved sooner since one of them would become impatient and just say it. If the other person wasn't receptive, Clover would get over it by getting under someone else ; ) and Sam is mature and has a good grip on her emotions so she would just rein them in or sublimate them into her work.

Whereas with Alex I could see her keeping her feelings hidden (maybe she doesn't even realize what they are at first) and trying to show her affection instead of just saying it. She might also have a harder time letting go if she's turned down, especially since she still has to see/live with/work with Clover every day, so she might gently keep trying, and maybe Clover would warm up to the idea over time.

OTOH, I could also see Sam and Clover just not quite realizing they like each other. Thus Sam might go out of her way to point out the flaws in Clover's dating choices, telling herself it's for Clover's own good or to help keep the group together. She even does this in the first episode ("Wouldn't you rather hang out with us than some dimwitted musician?") I doubt she would ever intentionally sabotage Clover's dating life, but she might do it unconsciously. Eventually she might go too far and that would bring the issue into the open.

It's interesting, come to think of it, that none of them have steady boyfriends or even a very active dating life through most of the show, given that (you would think) they easily could. That could be interpreted a few different ways:
- It's a girl's show and the writers didn't want what would amount to 3 male regulars in addition to the 3 female leads. Kinda like She-Ra had only one male protagonist, I think.
- Steady boyfriends would have interfered with the episodic, rather than arc-driven, nature of the series, where each episode might also be written by a different person.
- The girls are like female James Bonds, so they get to play the field. Conversely, if Bond does get serious about someone, it ends tragically (Vesper Lynd, Teresa di Vicenzo) and that also seems true for the girls in a lighter sense ("Evil Boyfriend", "Matchmaker", "Another Evil Boyfriend").
- The writers thought the audience was too young to be interested in romance. It seems like what romance there is, is played more for comedy.
- The writers thought women need men like a fish needs a bicycle (I don't get that vibe at all, just thought I'd throw it in for completeness' sake).
- The girls' bond with each other is simply way more important. When one of them does get a boyfriend, it seems to threaten the others and lead to conflict.
- The B plot can only focus on one girl, so in effect, each girl can only date someone in at most 1/3 of the episodes ; )
- It's a sacrifice the girls have to make in working for WOOHP. Their boyfriends would get tired of their constant disappearing acts, broken dates, etc.
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