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Laura, let's compare top 10 lists, just because I feel like it. :lmao:

Right now, I think this is my Dario Top 10:

1. Inferno
2. Tenebre
3. Opera
4. Suspiria
5. The Stendhal Syndrome
6. The Bird with the Crystal Plumage
7. Deep Red
8. Phenomena
9. The Cat 'O Nine Tails
10. The Card Player

Least favorite:
The Phantom of the Opera (although I give him points for trying something new)

Top 4 films produced by Dario:
1. Dawn of the Dead (co-produced)
2. Demons
3. Demons II
4. The Church

Argento ouevere I have yet to see:

Director:
Four Flies on the Gray Velvet
Three Days in Milan
Door Into Darkness - Il Tram (1 hour tv episode)
Sleepless
Masters of Horror - Jenifer (1 hour tv episode)
Mother of Tears (seeing it today XD)
Giallo (in production)

Producer:
The Sect
The Wax Mask
Door into Darkness (tv mini-series)
Turno di Notte (tv series)
Scarlet Diva (docu-drama)

Also haven't seen any of the movies he wrote before he became a director, there were a lot of them including a number of spaghetti westerns.
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Yeah the DVDs are very uncut as you will soon find out, as is the case with most of Anchor Bay's stuff. I believe there exists a slightly longer version of Phenomena with some slightly longer cuts on camera shots of things, but the version you has all the gore and important plot stuff.
I think I've heard of that on-line, and well, the footage is not all that well preserved and wouldn't look right if they spliced it into the film.

I figure Laura could answer this too, but there isn't any...order I should watch them in right? Like, I won't be totally confused if I saw "Tenebre" before "Suspiria" right? I probably will watch them in chronological order cause I'm anal like that.

I spend too much time with how I orginize my DVD collections. They get put into genres (movies, TV shows, animes, music), further seperated by sub genres (animated, foreign, horror, comedy, artists) possibly more...insane sub genres (CGI animated, comedy anime vs. serious anime) sometimes into non existant genres (animes I have seen on TV before) than by seasons.
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Jul 1 2008, 11:36 PM
Laura, let's compare top 10 lists, just because I feel like it. :lmao:

Okie-Dokie, I'm game! XD
Top 10..hmmm...

1. Tenebre
2. Suspiria
3. Deep Red
4. Opera
5. Inferno
6. Phenomena
7. The Bird with the Crystal Plumage
8. The Stendahl Syndrome
9. Trauma (I'm a little surprised you made no mention of this one!)
10. The Cat O' Nine Tails

Least Favorite: The Phantom of the Opera ( I cant' be as kind as you for this one, but we are in agreement - IMO a total misfire unfortunately.)

Top 4 films produced by Argento:
1. The Church
2. The Sect
3. Demons
4. Zombi (Dawn of the Dead) -Not that it isn't a fave, but it's much more a George Romero film, with minimal creative input from Dario, unlike the other three here. And Scarlet Diva isn't on this list because it really isn't a horror film, but it is a good, dark semi-autobiographical movie about Dario's daughter, Asia.

As far as the Argento movies I haven't seen, my list pretty much matches yours, with the two exceptions noted above. This is probably a good time to mention how jealous I am that you're seeing Mother of Tears ...XD

One film I can definitely recommend as far as spaghetti westerns that Argento co-wrote is Once Upon a Time in the West - great stuff!

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I figure Laura could answer this too, but there isn't any...order I should watch them in right? Like, I won't be totally confused if I saw "Tenebre" before "Suspiria" right?


There shouldn't be any problem watching either Tenebre or Suspiria in any order you care to, but I would suggest watching Suspiria before tackling Inferno- not so much that it's absolutely necessary, but I think you'd get more enjoyment that way. Really most of Argento's films are stand-alone affairs, with minimal crossover, but I enjoyed watching his films in roughly chronological order just to see Argento's evolution as an artist.

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Ok, watched Mother of Tears on DVD last night. I did see in the theater during the summer like I said, but I wanted another chance to watch it to form a better opinion and could post it here.

Watching it at home, it was a lot better the second time. For one my viewing experience wasn't interrupted or colored by people laughing at random times at things that were not supposed to be funny (this happens in a lot of movies that aren't bad at all). Also I could actually understand more of the dialogue due to the better sound. Also 20 percent of the picture wasn't cut off by the wrong sized movie screen. lol

Watching at home I think everything seemed better: the storyline, writing, photography, the acting, and even the cgi.

I gotta say this move was pretty frigging good imo. Maybe not on the godly level of Suspiria and Inferno, but at least Argento's best movie in 12 years. I would definitely consider it a good entry into the trilogy. It's nothing like it's predecessors, but I think that's a good thing actually. You can only do the unlocking of the mystery in a building plot so many times before it seems stale.

This was possibly Argento's gorriest movie ever. He definitely still has his set as far as pushing the boundary of artistically filmed gore scenes, and he really went over the top in a few of these scenes. Set design and photography I felt was also quite good, a few of the scenes were obviously influenced by famous paintings, Argento's love of the arts in his films is quite apparent. Also gotta love the complete strangeness of most of this film with the monkey, howling bald guy, demons, etc. He also didn't hold back on the nudity for a change, so all these things together created an Italian flavored horror-ploitation film that really hasn't been seen for decades.

I also felt the development of Asia's character was a step above a number of his films, and it helped give it that fairy tale element that films like Phenomena had. Also adding to the weirdness is the fact Asia's storyline is based off the fact that Dario claims to have received a call from the ghost of his father Salvatore Argento, and that was his major influence for the story of this film.

Anyways, big thumbs up for me. I can only wait to see if Giallo continues this trend of awesomeness. I also hope after Giallo he does some more strange, supernatural type horror films, since there's only 5 so far in his oeuvre and after Mother of Tears I definitely want to see more.

One disappointment that's completely unrelated to Dario though is I don't think the picture quality on this DVD is great. The contrast for one isn't good enough to the point where you can't make out anything in the darker scenes. Hopefully, the Weinsteins don't sit on their asses and not release a superior bluray soon.

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I have finally bought a copy of "Mother of Tears" and on watching it again, I've pretty much got to agree with everything you've said in the above post. While you saw it in a theater (and believe me, I'm jealous!! lol), I had to watch it for the first time on a video hosting site, which is never the preferred way of viewing a film. But at the time I was unaware that the film had a DVD release, so I simply assumed it would be like so many other Argento films and languish on a shelf somewhere before getting a video release. This may have not been Dario's greatest film, but I thought it stood head and shoulders over "The Card Player" and was a suitable entry in the 'Three Mothers' mythos...

I'm really excited about "Giallo", and from what I've read about it recently, post-production should be done sometime in December, and with any luck it will compete at Cannes early next year prior to it's theatrical release.

I also understand that the writers of 'Giallo" (which is probably due for a name change sometime before it's release date) have penned the upcoming John Carpenter horror anthology "LA Gothic"...

Last bit: Dario is reportedly in talks to allow a remake of "Bird With The Crystal Plumage"- I hope they don't screw it up too badly, like I'm afraid they're going to do with the "Suspiria' remake... :hmm:

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Last bit: Dario is reportedly in talks to allow a remake of "Bird With The Crystal Plumage"- I hope they don't screw it up too badly, like I'm afraid they're going to do with the "Suspiria' remake... :hmm:

Ugh, they just need to leave this alone. This would be like remaking the Godfather or something. Just leave it alone.

Since Dario's new film will obviously be a giallo, I would rather him go for something more supernatural. I want to see him bring in the weird again like he has done in Inferno, Phenomena, Mother of Tears, etc.

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Here's the trailer for Giallo that just go realesed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDxdtetSxOc

So far I think this movie looks awesome.
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Hmmm... Judging from the trailer, which btw DOES seem awesome, I'm guessing that the reports of a name change for the film were a bit premature. The cinematography, from what I could see looks like a cross between Stendahl Syndrome and Tenebre, so it ought to be interesting visually. And as far as Dario doing another supernatural movie, that would be cool, but I personally would like to see him do something really loopy along the lines of Phenomena. 0.o
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Hmmm... Judging from the trailer, which btw DOES seem awesome, I'm guessing that the reports of a name change for the film were a bit premature. The cinematography, from what I could see looks like a cross between Stendahl Syndrome and Tenebre, so it ought to be interesting visually. And as far as Dario doing another supernatural movie, that would be cool, but I personally would like to see him do something really loopy along the lines of Phenomena. 0.o
I think Phenomena was pretty much a supernatural movie. The communication with insects, evil swiss air, etc. made it lean in that direction, although there were some giallo elements, as well.

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Wow, holy shit, DVD releases for Four Flies on Gray Velvet and Door into Darkness have been announced! Of course there's always the chance this deal could fold like the last planned release of Door into Darkness (due to No Shame's money problems) and any release of Four Flies (due to it's complex rights issues), but damn am I already pshyced!

http://www.cultmovieforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15048&highlight=flies

If these are released it would put 2 of his classic 70's works in the US for the first time, one being the third part of the Animals Trilogy and his giallo tv mini-series. It would also mean everything he's directed apart from his Western has been released on DVD here.

Edit: Here are the Amazon.com preorder pages for them:

Four Flies on Gray Velvet
Dario Argento's Door Into Darkness
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Wow! That's HUGE news! Even if it's a bare-bones rerlease, I'm in! Can't wait to see a decent release of Four Flies, and it'll be very interesting to see Dario's early T.V. work in Door Into Darkness as well! I wonder how they managed to wrest control of the rights from Paramount? Well, however they got it done, it goes without saying that me ish excited! ^^
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